I have already done the calibration, but since then I returned to the 346 because I was afraid of damaging my equipment. Since I have the "clonk" when I turn off the wheel ..
Thanks this is a new weird issue we have to look into, I saw reports that using a different PC helped, I don't know if you have access to a second PC but maybe worth a try and let me know if it worked there then. Other than that I don't know any workaround yet as I've also just found out about it this morning. We will take a look.
We are in contact with them making sure this feature finds its way into the game natively but yes that's exactly why we've extended the range to 2520°.
Wow, this update has really improved the detail on the DD1.
Great work Fanatec.
I would like to suggest one change to where end users can download new software and drivers on your primary website under a software link. Searching for new releases under your blog section is not easy.
Totally on your page that it is annoying that the base goes into Xbox mode when a Xbox wheel is attached. Not joking but it isn't a bug but a feature someone decided to implement and I'm fighting for removing it 😅
Hello, I would like to share my knowledge of the v352 driver.
After installing this driver and the corresponding firmware, my DD1 became a really noisy, sharp metal wound when turning off the base, accidental sharp wounds while driving and this is very unpleasant especially in f1 races where large ffb +/- 10NM is used and it is really unpleasant to painful.
Therefore, returning to the original driver v335 and hopefully do not have to worry that the base is damaged, please for advice, please excuse my English I do not control her much.
is it safe to use this beta driver for ours DD wheel bases?
I am concerned since I have read the comments from the MIT's engineer and it would awesome if you could as a company proxy clear things out. 1600€ is not a joke so I would love to know if I should roll-out the older firmware version.
Did you read the known issues and hints in the very first post? There is the information to use the repair function of the driver installer while everything is connected and running. One cause could also be you have a Xbox wheel connected which sets the base into xbox mode after an update. If nothing of that helps you can open the windows device manager and manually delete the device driver of the base before using the repair function. Let me know if this helps.
Marcel, You are providing insufficient data to substantiate a "perfectly fine" condition. You MUST REMEMBER, a 6-10deg C increase is picked up by the motor RTD and is NOT a HOT SPOT reading. Hot spots will accelerate degradation of motor insulation that, as you realize will lead to faulted windings (a destroyed motor). Fanatec can help us all by stating the following assumptions they have made on the motor design: ambient temperature assumption, allowable temperature rise in deg C, and hot spot allowance assumption. Having said that, the weakest point is likely not the motor itself. The failure mode with the highest statistical likelihood are the integrated circuits on the back of the motor.
Although the fan works to cool the PCB and integrated circuit components, the software you are developing and releasing should ALWAYS NOT THREATEN THE TERMAL STABILITY inherent to the DD design. The thermal capacity of the DD will not change, BUT the firmware will change and how much power is applied with have a proportional relationship to the thermal mass being generated. An ACCEPTABLE firmware /beta release should document the physical changes an end user could experience AND STATE CLEARLY the risks with operation. In short, everyone is counting on you and your team to place firmware limits so that a thermal upset condition does not occur AND the DD will NEVER go into "limp" or "safety" mode with a reduced output. NOBODY SHOULD EVER EXPERIENCE 120 deg C ON THEIR DD BASE UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS.
Think of this as traffic lights. We have gotten used to operating in the "Green" or "Safe" zone with these DD motors. All of a sudden, the temperature increases with revision 352 and while it may still be acceptable (for Fanatec), perhaps some motors are operating in the "Yellow" or "Warning" zone and under some conditions (high ambient temperature) some may even be in the "Red" or "Danger" operating range. It's summer time in Australia and if a DD is placed by a window and is cooking under the sun, an increase of 6-10 deg C will have very different outcomes when compared to winter time in Germany and the DD in Australia will sustain permanent damage of the DD base.
What If I hit Lotto... I'd I buy a motion cockpit and hire Nasa Engineers to set up My wheel Dr & Fw.... Other than that I won't get into the what if scenarios....
Its Not that Serious....I just want to Live Laugh and Enjoy My Fanatec Gear....
I highly DOUBT that you will successfully solicit an official response from Fanatec to absolve you from the risk of using the software. As I have pointed out in a follow up post, the terms of the software (beta or final release) is subject to the end user accepting liability. The contract even states USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. This comes from Fanatec's LEGAL COUNSEL. At the end of the day, their lawyer will outrank whatever you want Marcel to tell you. And please, I actually have a name and would prefer to be addressed by it and not by my alma mater. Wish you the best in your own decision making!
Thank you for your answer Marcel. My only concern is, that the driver is 6 to 10°C hotter in a colder ambient than it was in summer with older drivers.
But it makes sense, that the new driver has to work more now with these improvements, in particular with the increased resolution from 8 to 16 bit.
All but good things to say regarding the Driver and fanalab. Did have 2 occurrences of a huge thump while driving alone on a straight line like if the wheel detected someone hiting me hard and reacted to that, scary stuff...
hi, i have just realized that when i switch to a frontal port usb 3.0 i have a failed with 2nd and 3rd gear of the shifter, if i connect to a frontal usb port 2.0 it works fine and finally when i change to antoher new port, in this case i connect ed to a back usb 3.0 of my pc all gears work fine too, it is extrange but it works like that.
so, i deduce it is something about usb ports affects to the fanatec panel property and finally in this particular accessory (the shifter) that at least we know.
when i connect to frontal usb 3.0 i get this message "There is a problem setting up the wheel control panel. please reconnect the device and try again"
by the moment the solution is easy and shifter works ok.
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Nothing to concern but we are looking into.
I have already done the calibration, but since then I returned to the 346 because I was afraid of damaging my equipment. Since I have the "clonk" when I turn off the wheel ..
Thanks for the report, we will take a look.
Could you try if this happens also when using PS4 Compatibility mode or if this is also happening in other games?
Thanks this is a new weird issue we have to look into, I saw reports that using a different PC helped, I don't know if you have access to a second PC but maybe worth a try and let me know if it worked there then. Other than that I don't know any workaround yet as I've also just found out about it this morning. We will take a look.
Not sure about that but will discuss it internally.
We are in contact with them making sure this feature finds its way into the game natively but yes that's exactly why we've extended the range to 2520°.
I'll take care of it, sorry for the delayed response here, usual pre-christmas holiday trouble here trying to make everything happen in time 😉
Hey Marcel
Update complete, Fanalabs 1.23 + DD1 beta drivers, F1rim new model, v3 pedals.
Wow, this update has really improved the detail on the DD1.
Great work Fanatec.
I would like to suggest one change to where end users can download new software and drivers on your primary website under a software link. Searching for new releases under your blog section is not easy.
Totally on your page that it is annoying that the base goes into Xbox mode when a Xbox wheel is attached. Not joking but it isn't a bug but a feature someone decided to implement and I'm fighting for removing it 😅
Many thanks for the info Marcel
Hello, I would like to share my knowledge of the v352 driver.
After installing this driver and the corresponding firmware, my DD1 became a really noisy, sharp metal wound when turning off the base, accidental sharp wounds while driving and this is very unpleasant especially in f1 races where large ffb +/- 10NM is used and it is really unpleasant to painful.
Therefore, returning to the original driver v335 and hopefully do not have to worry that the base is damaged, please for advice, please excuse my English I do not control her much.
Best regards Bezděk Daniel
So... Marcel,
is it safe to use this beta driver for ours DD wheel bases?
I am concerned since I have read the comments from the MIT's engineer and it would awesome if you could as a company proxy clear things out. 1600€ is not a joke so I would love to know if I should roll-out the older firmware version.
best,
Nikos
The FF feels good!
Unfortunately, the constant vibration of the anti-cogging filter is very noticeable again.
This was actually long gone with the updates.
Yes
Marcel,
you must be kidding. What kind of feature is that supposed to be.
Annoy your wheelbase users to a point they quit using Fanatec stuff or to keep Fanatec support staff really busy?
If this is true, keep fighting hard ;-)
I can't believe that....
Did you read the known issues and hints in the very first post? There is the information to use the repair function of the driver installer while everything is connected and running. One cause could also be you have a Xbox wheel connected which sets the base into xbox mode after an update. If nothing of that helps you can open the windows device manager and manually delete the device driver of the base before using the repair function. Let me know if this helps.
Miguel, it is listed in the known issues in the first post which is regularly updated.
There it says: "Knock when powering off DD Base, nothing to worry about but we are looking into it."
So according to Fanatec it should be safe.
it was the middle button on the left side mounted button cluster, thx for investigation.
Marcel, You are providing insufficient data to substantiate a "perfectly fine" condition. You MUST REMEMBER, a 6-10deg C increase is picked up by the motor RTD and is NOT a HOT SPOT reading. Hot spots will accelerate degradation of motor insulation that, as you realize will lead to faulted windings (a destroyed motor). Fanatec can help us all by stating the following assumptions they have made on the motor design: ambient temperature assumption, allowable temperature rise in deg C, and hot spot allowance assumption. Having said that, the weakest point is likely not the motor itself. The failure mode with the highest statistical likelihood are the integrated circuits on the back of the motor.
Although the fan works to cool the PCB and integrated circuit components, the software you are developing and releasing should ALWAYS NOT THREATEN THE TERMAL STABILITY inherent to the DD design. The thermal capacity of the DD will not change, BUT the firmware will change and how much power is applied with have a proportional relationship to the thermal mass being generated. An ACCEPTABLE firmware /beta release should document the physical changes an end user could experience AND STATE CLEARLY the risks with operation. In short, everyone is counting on you and your team to place firmware limits so that a thermal upset condition does not occur AND the DD will NEVER go into "limp" or "safety" mode with a reduced output. NOBODY SHOULD EVER EXPERIENCE 120 deg C ON THEIR DD BASE UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS.
Think of this as traffic lights. We have gotten used to operating in the "Green" or "Safe" zone with these DD motors. All of a sudden, the temperature increases with revision 352 and while it may still be acceptable (for Fanatec), perhaps some motors are operating in the "Yellow" or "Warning" zone and under some conditions (high ambient temperature) some may even be in the "Red" or "Danger" operating range. It's summer time in Australia and if a DD is placed by a window and is cooking under the sun, an increase of 6-10 deg C will have very different outcomes when compared to winter time in Germany and the DD in Australia will sustain permanent damage of the DD base.
So these drivers are for DD bases only?? or are they alright with CSW.
What If I hit Lotto... I'd I buy a motion cockpit and hire Nasa Engineers to set up My wheel Dr & Fw.... Other than that I won't get into the what if scenarios....
Its Not that Serious....I just want to Live Laugh and Enjoy My Fanatec Gear....
i know, right. i walk a line , but i stay on the respectable side, thank you very much.
I highly DOUBT that you will successfully solicit an official response from Fanatec to absolve you from the risk of using the software. As I have pointed out in a follow up post, the terms of the software (beta or final release) is subject to the end user accepting liability. The contract even states USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. This comes from Fanatec's LEGAL COUNSEL. At the end of the day, their lawyer will outrank whatever you want Marcel to tell you. And please, I actually have a name and would prefer to be addressed by it and not by my alma mater. Wish you the best in your own decision making!
Thank you for your answer Marcel. My only concern is, that the driver is 6 to 10°C hotter in a colder ambient than it was in summer with older drivers.
But it makes sense, that the new driver has to work more now with these improvements, in particular with the increased resolution from 8 to 16 bit.
Hi Marcel,
All but good things to say regarding the Driver and fanalab. Did have 2 occurrences of a huge thump while driving alone on a straight line like if the wheel detected someone hiting me hard and reacted to that, scary stuff...
it was on regular AC
They aren't optimal for many CSW's users (me too). I'll wait for next drivers.
hi, i have just realized that when i switch to a frontal port usb 3.0 i have a failed with 2nd and 3rd gear of the shifter, if i connect to a frontal usb port 2.0 it works fine and finally when i change to antoher new port, in this case i connect ed to a back usb 3.0 of my pc all gears work fine too, it is extrange but it works like that.
so, i deduce it is something about usb ports affects to the fanatec panel property and finally in this particular accessory (the shifter) that at least we know.
when i connect to frontal usb 3.0 i get this message "There is a problem setting up the wheel control panel. please reconnect the device and try again"
by the moment the solution is easy and shifter works ok.
thanks for the answers
I really would like to have a clarification on the guarantee situation if I would install and use this Beta driver.
Does it mean that I would risk to loose my 5 years warranty on my DD2 if I use this Beta driver and the motor might get a damage of it ???
no, of course you do not lose your 5 year warranty of your DD2 when you install a beta driver.